(cosmetic) damage to Weller soldering station

@electrotechs

The one next to the microscope.

The spring iron holder doesn’t guard the hot tip, so I put the iron in and stabbed the front of the power supply, melting a neat little divot in the front face. I cleaned the tip of melted plastic and put the holder to the side so it wouldn’t happen again. And then it twisted round and melted another divot in the side of the front face. >_<

It didn’t happen a third time.

No functional damage, but I’m afraid it’ll never look like new :frowning:

I think this station needs a different holder.

It had a different holder but somehow was relocated, this poor soldering iron it’s getting so much beating, I might order an original holder from Weller…

A new official weller holder it’s on the way

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PS: The reason I was using the Weller is because both Hakos were barely getting enough heat into the solder to melt it, even with the temp setting maxxed out. I would have tried a fresh tip, but didn’t know where to look.

Yes, I rember we always had this kind of problems with them, I think @unknowndomain calibrated them in the past but they seem to constantly drift.

By today’s standard are not great, also, with electronics becoming a more mainstream hobby we now have cheaper alternatives, maybe we should just find a sutable replacement, I love the weller, it’s a work horse but you definitly pay for the price.

Or we can just calibrate it using the flir camera.

Thanks @emuboy for getting a new holder!

Yeah, I had the same issue - we should either fix/calibrate or replace these… @electrotechs let me know what you think, nothing is more annoying that a soldering iron that doesn’t get up to temp!

Probably unwanted advice from running electronics benches with users of various skill:

Soldering irons are always going to waive out of calibration, especially ceramic ones, sometimes they go over temperature, other times under.

Over temperature is almost worse than under, because you wear out the tips much faster and damage your boards more often, but nobody really notices, where under temperature you just can’t solder properly/at all.

For them to get to the point they’re not working at all for @tomnewsom others must have been struggling for ages.

Any temprature sensor thats reasonably accurate can be used to calibrate once a month and keep them in check, but you might also consider changing irons, or at least having a more modern iron for rework and desoldering.

I can imagine a thermal camera might have trouble with shiny surfaces, and higher tempratures, something like this is relatively cheap.

You might also want to invest in some better more modern irons, when I left all the irons were heated core type which is cheap but old and less durable…

Heated Core

This is the oldest and cheapest technology, typical in pretty much every soldering iron you’ve ever used.

It has a heated core like a 3D printer and temperature sensor near each other, with a metal disposable tip that goes around (Hakko/Weller) or sometimes into the ceramic core.

Pros: Tips are cheap, they’re often interchangeable as the Hakko standard has been ripped off by many companies now.

Cons: They need regular calibrating, fake and poor-quality tips are everywhere, and they have a large thermal lag.

Example: Hakko FX-888D >£180


Cartridge

This is a more modern option where the entire disposable tip is one sealed component allowing the ceramic core and temperature sensor to be as close to the surface as possible.

Pros: They have substantially less thermal lag, and you can interchange tips while they’re still hot.

Cons: They are more expensive, and cheap clones are rare.

Example: Hakko FX-951 >£360


Induction

These are probably the best things you could buy, but they are often unnecessary. They use the curie point in metal combined with RF energy to regulate the temperature, so they don’t need to have a sensor in the tip measuring.

Pros: They don’t have thermal lag except for the largest soldering tasks like heat sinks.

Cons: They’re expensive, and you need different tips for different shapes and temperatures.

Example: Hakko FX-100 >£750


I’m referencing Hakko because it’s what the Maker community often uses and I am most familiar with from work. Weller, OKI/Metcal and others are great, theres also a lot of no-brand products which are great too.

The best value often comes from buying a no-brand clone which can take official Hakko, Weller or OKI/Metcal tips, I am most familiar with Zhongdi which is where are the cheap RS, Maplin, Radioshack irons normally come from, most of them use the T18 Hakko tips perfectly, and calibrated once a month are great.

Also cannot recommend highly enough 2 extra things for your bench:

  1. Make sure the station has a sensor in the stand to detect when it’s not being used and lower the temprature, this massively increases the life of the tips.
  2. Put a run down timer on your soldering stations so they can’t be left on for more than 10-20 minutes without someone pressing a button to reup the timer.

End of unrequested advice

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I always appriciate advice from you, Tom, thanks about the breakdown, I think we might review our soldering iron fleet soon :slight_smile:

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From my personal point of view we have two main issues here with Hakko:

  • Hakko FX888 exemplar bad UI - two buttons on the front, if you long press right button you’re adjusting iron temperature, but if you long press wrong left button you’re adjusting calibration which looks exactly the same, except saying “Adj” on display before you do it.
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Seriously, they’ve probably saved ten cents per station on tactile switches this way.

  • People who should know basics. I mean, lead free solder melting point is around 220°C. If you are setting temperature compensated iron to 450°C some doubts should appear in your head.

On first issue I highly doubt stations has drifted several hundreds degrees off by themselves. I’ve roughly recalibrated both today using thermocouple and set a password for calibration. The password is “EEE”.

On second issue, I usually assume people learned soldering with old school 100W irons and that’s then self propagating through generations. We may need some gentle reminders that if your solder doesn’t melt at 250 degrees that’s probably steel wire you’re trying to melt, and if your iron tip looks charcoal black, pointy and has no tin sticking to it, it probably wouldn’t be able to melt anything anyways.

Also are we sure those are brass wool we’re using and not iron kitchen sponges? Some of them look suspicious.

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I solder at 320, 220 it’s definitely too cold for lead free…

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Thanks @scythian! So do the Hakkos we have work properly now?

We depend on definitions here. Right at the moment temperature of the tip largely corresponds to number set on station. Looks fine to me, though I’m not 100% sure. Stations work. You can solder with them.

As mentioned above, tips have protective soft-metal layers that abrade and then oxidise and collect burnt flux over time, which is sped up if exposed to high temperature and/or abrasives, especially without tin layer on top. Tips are different (shape) so optimally you need to recalibrate station when tips are changed. Right now on one of the stations d-shaped tip is new, on the other its pointed tip is burnt, but not completely unusable. We have spare tips in the drawers.

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:persevere: I think this might have been my mistake.
No excuses either, cos I’ve got the exact same one at home and know how it works!

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We have a lot of FX951 irons if you want to come to camberwell and try some stuff out before buying.

Kind Regards

:rainbow_flag: Tom

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Thanks, I trust your judgment , I didn’t had the time to think about anything at the moment, the new base as arrived but I don’t know if I have time to drop it this week

It seems I’ve been wrong about calibration.
I’ve been to space yesterday trying to solder and both Hakkos are way out of calibrated temperature despite still having a password set. We’re speaking ~100 degrees off here, as well as some wild non-linearity on set temperature. I reckon something is broken.

I used them without problems.

I recently raised the temperature on them.

Who set the password?

I’ve set the password (only to calibration mode) in hope ppl will not adjust calibration accidentally, I’ve mentioned it above ^^ and also on tool page

I’ve roughly recalibrated both today using thermocouple and set a password for calibration. The password is “EEE”.

No one touched the calibration, I just raised the temperature, they looked like they worked well, at this point, please don’t touch them until we get new ones

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